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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 05/11/2018 18:16, paolo giosue' ha
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            id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1541437020581_3737">ciao ale max, sono
            paolo, grazie per il tempo che m hai dedicato a scrivere
            consigli, cercherò di farne tesoro,</span></div>
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            id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1541437020581_3655">purtroppo nella
            zona in cui abito io, corsi su python non ne fanno,</span></div>
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            soldi per fare università(non ne ho e quelli che ho mi
            servono)</span></div>
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            riguarda scaricare gratuitamente il libro in lingua inglese,
            non so l'inglese,</span></div>
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            cercherò d fare quello he posso e utilizzare i tuoi consigli</span></div>
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            riguarda l'editor pycharm, significa che devo cancellare
            quello che ho scaricato e devo scaricare pycharm? grazie<br>
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                  <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Da:</span></b> Ale
                  Max <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:massa.ale85@gmail.com"><massa.ale85@gmail.com></a><br>
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                  Discussioni generali sul linguaggio Python
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                  Domenica 4 Novembre 2018 21:54<br>
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                      style="font-weight: bold;">Oggetto:</span></b> Re:
                  [Python] aiuto ho bisogno di una mano<br>
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                    <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1541437020581_3647">Ciao
                      Luigi, complimenti per la perseveranza e per la
                      voglia di studiare. Anche io ho la tua stessa
                      voglia di imparare Python ed é qualche anno che ci
                      sto dietro, anche io lo sto studiando per passione
                      e non sono un programmatore, ti do' i consigli che
                      secondo me ti potranno aiutare nello studio.
                      <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1541437020581_3646">1)
                        cerca un corso in qualche associazione o fablab
                        della tua zona, ti permette di capire molto di
                        più che leggere libri.</div>
                      <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1541437020581_3650">2)
                        su internet le risorse sono tantissime ma forse
                        troppe e confondono gli inesperti, quindi  il
                        miglior sito per chi parte da zero è <a
                          id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1541437020581_3675"
                          href="http://www.programmareinpython.it/"
                          target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">www.programmareinpython.it</a> </div>
                      <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1541437020581_3660">Segui
                        i video e fai gli esercizi vedrai che capirai un
                        bel po'.</div>
                      <div>Puoi fare altre corsi sulla piattaforma
                        EDUOPEN sono in italiano e sono corsi di
                        università italiane</div>
                      <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1541437020581_3673">3)
                        registrati sul sito <a
                          id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1541437020581_3674"
                          href="http://www.datacamp.com/"
                          target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">www.datacamp.com</a> ti
                        permette di esercitarti in maniera semplice.</div>
                      <div>4) usa come editor il software PYCHARM è più
                        difficile ma ti aiuta nella compilazione del
                        codice.</div>
                      <div>5) compra il libro AUTOMATIZZARE LE COSE
                        NOIOSE CON PYTHON di Al Sweigart... Parte da
                        zero è spiegato molto bene, ha numerosi esercizi
                        utili, puoi anche trovare tutto il libro in
                        lingua inglese sul sito gratuitamente... Per me
                        è stato il Top....</div>
                      <div>Spero di esserti stato utile, tienici
                        aggiornati dei tuoi progressi e poi condividi
                        con noi.</div>
                      <div>A presto</div>
                      <div>Max</div>
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                        <div dir="ltr">Il gio 1 nov 2018, 20:54 Luigi
                          Russo <<a
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                          id="yiv6321885448yqtfd82427">Il 01/11/2018
                          13:06, paolo giosue' ha scritto:<br
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                          > ho 53 anni, non so niente di
                          programmazione, ho comprato il libro di <br
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                          > marco buttu "programmare con python,
                          guida completa"<br clear="none">
                          > <br clear="none">
                          > troppo difficile, poi ho acquistato,
                          python 3 pocket, di marco beri, <br
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                          > apogeo, mi sembra che anche questo non
                          parli delle basi<br clear="none">
                          > <br clear="none">
                          > del linguaggio.<br clear="none">
                          > <br clear="none">
                          > a me basterebbe capire qualcosina di
                          semplice, capire la logica di un <br
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                          > programma  poi riuscire a fare qualcosa
                          anche di stupido,<br clear="none">
                          > <br clear="none">
                          > se poi scrivo molte più righe di codice
                          rispetto a quelle che <br clear="none">
                          > servirebbero, perché non conosco bene il
                          linguaggio, poco importa,<br clear="none">
                          > <br clear="none">
                          > l'importante è raggiungere il risultato,
                          in modo che questa piccola <br clear="none">
                          > soddisfazione mi spinga a proseguire
                          nello studio, considerando<br clear="none">
                          > <br clear="none">
                          > he il tempo a mia disposizione è poco .<br
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                          > <br clear="none">
                          > come posso fare? Comprare altri libri,
                          scaricare qualcosa da internet.<br
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                          > <br clear="none">
                          > La cosa a cui tengo di più comunque è
                          riuscire a capire la logica del <br
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                          > codice e del programma e non copiare
                          senza capirci niente<br clear="none">
                          > <br clear="none">
                          > delle righe di codice perché alla fine mi
                          danno un risultato, insomma <br clear="none">
                          > non mi va di fare come il ragazzo che va
                          a scuola, non avendo<br clear="none">
                          > <br clear="none">
                          > fatto i compiti li copia dal compagno, ma
                          in realtà se l'insegnante gli <br
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                          > chiede di spiegare il compito che lui ha
                          copiato non sa più che fare<br clear="none">
                          > <br clear="none">
                          > attendo consigli, grazie<br clear="none">
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                          Luigi:<br clear="none">
                          ciao,<br clear="none">
                          non conosco il libro di Marco Beri ma, quello
                          di Buttu non è proprio una <br clear="none">
                          passeggiata, mi pare che sia addirittura per
                          l'università.<br clear="none">
                          Un libro da consigliarti potrebbe essere
                          "Pensare Da Informatico", lo <br clear="none">
                          trovi anche su <a
                            href="http://www.python.it/" target="_blank"
                            rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">www.python.it</a>.<br
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                          Tuttavia, quel libro tratta di Python 2.3 o
                          giù di lì, quindi materiale <br clear="none">
                          assai vecchio. Ne esiste anche una versione
                          aggiornata chiamata "Pensare <br clear="none">
                          in Python" che tratta di Python 3, lo puoi sia
                          acquistare cartaceo, sia <br clear="none">
                          scaricare come PDF da qui:<br clear="none">
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                Ciao Paolo, ho letto il tuo messaggio e lo scorso anno
                mi sono ritrovato nelle tue stesse condizioni. Ho
                comprato dei libri che mi hanno fatto pensare di essere
                improvvisamente diventato cretino ma poi, non volendomi
                rassegnare, ho comunque voluto considerare il fatto che
                spesso chi si scrive di materie tecniche, tanto più è
                bravo e tanto più si allontana dalla necessaria doverosa
                semplicità di spiegare le cose. E così mi sono impegnato
                a cercare qualcosa scritto con reale intenzione di
                prendere per mano il bambino che non sa camminare. Oltre
                il sito internet programmareinpython.it che ti hanno già
                segnalato, ti consiglio anche questo:
                <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ncassetta.altervista.org/Tutorial_Python/Introduzione.html">http://ncassetta.altervista.org/Tutorial_Python/Introduzione.html</a>.
                Consultando entrambi, io sono riuscito a realizzare un
                progetto che avevo in mente da un sacco di tempo. Sono
                consapevole che potrebbe essere scritto chissà quanto
                meglio ma sono soddisfatto del risultato e ne sono anche
                orgoglioso. Puoi trovare delle spiegazioni ben fatte
                anche qui:
                <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mrwebmaster.it/programmazione/guida-python/">https://www.mrwebmaster.it/programmazione/guida-python/</a>.
                P.S. anche io come editor ho installato pycharm (la
                versione free) non ho esperienza di altri editor ma con
                questo mi sono trovato molto bene.<br>
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